I couldn’t attend due to family things.
For starters any attention at all (good or bad) that this event generates should be considered a plus, as I wrote prior (White Nationalism as a movement; the utility of rallies.). So absent catastrophic failure (Curt dies, or is gravely hopitalized, or a number of important propertarians are, something like that), the event was a success and a plus. It couldn’t really fail. They got signatures, attention, a little media (some online articles here and there, the CBS interview is unlikely to air), networking. Great. Well done.
But some people have to drag every positive attempt at affecting the world down with them, and they will criticize every nook and cranny of every little movement marginally associated with white nationalism, because they themselves failed, have done no better, can do no better, and they want no one doing any better. Bucket crabs. Your empty, nonconstructive criticism literally does not matter, you’ve already signaled yourselves burdensome, and honestly most of you are better off dead. Shut the fuck up, you’re no better than the enemy.
My opinion doesn’t quite matter either, alas, it’s my blog, etc. so, I’ll comment on it. Laying the bare facts first quickly:
- Mike Dunn, 2a advocate, Virginia Knight(s), was the organizer of the venue. Half the people were there for him/them. Police, barricades, and the space was organized by him/them.
- Propertarians (John Mark probably, though IDK who exactly) convinced them to lend space and/or time for propertarian speakers. The whole thing is very informal so there’s no exact allocated time or space.
- Mike in parallel planned some pro-2A BLM chapter guys (who aren’t marxist, whatever) to come in the event as well to do the ‘Dems are the real racist’ bit for the cameras, social media, etc.
- Obviously he, BLM, and other Virginia Knights were very upset by discovering the racist undertones of Propertarianism in Curt’s speech (and that other guy that spoke first, sorry forgot his name).
- They then started counter-protesting (their own protest… lol) as Curt was at around ten minutes short of ending his speech. Curt and the crowd largely ignored them. Curt didn’t address them, only paused intermittently.
- When Curt was done speaking, the green-shirt virginia knight and 2 BLM guys (the leader who spoke and another who didn’t) approached Curt
There was a very minor scuffle (not caught on camera).EDIT: VIDEO HERE actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jg9iYT58Yk – Curt tries to explain to them the underclass culling problem (and lack thereof in the african race). The beginning of the conversation wasn’t recorded (IDK what they said),John Mark came close enough to record the end of it when Curt was praising black strength and penis size (lol)
- They then asked to speak and Curt handed them the megaphone.
- Curt does some theater, supports the pro-2A BLM while he speaks (whatever he was saying). Does the pointing up thing he asked the crowd to do, Cheer him away. In less than 2 minutes he’s done and gone.
- Takes the bullhorn just to hoof and tell people to sign the declaration in the nearby tent.
Most are ignoring #7 (fair enough we don’t know exactly what happened there until and if someone wants to testify about it), and are calling #8, #9, #10, cucking, equalizing to kneeling, appeasing to BLM, sucking black dick, etc.. some accusations being purely inflammatory. Below, in no particular order, I’ll try to steel-man and answer the ones that have some merit or at least aren’t completely ill intended.
“(#9) Curt shouldn’t have let them take the megaphone.” – Why, when, the venue isn’t his, he was done speaking, and the organizers wanted the blacks to speak? The organizers wanted either the propertarians to leave, for piggybacking on a non-racist event (and were being seemingly racist!), or at least defuse the situation, apologize, etc. Refusing to give the megaphone would just escalate the situation. Answer is, no, he should have and he did. More on escalation later.
“(#8) Curt shouldn’t have said blacks have big dicks.” – I actually agree with this one. Alas, it is a truthful statement (blacks have marginally bigger penises, yes), the “stronger” part is actually the more dubious one (stronger in some aspects, less in others). that was Curt’s way of being autistically amicable to a primitive demographic. And it worked, they liked and laughed and that helped de-escalate the situation.
Now, does that come at some sort of reputation cost, for white (nationalist) people, for Propertarians, for Curt’s own reputation etc? Yeah, I’d say it does. I didn’t mind it much myself but apparently people do care, so, to the extent they do, Curt ‘soiled’ that group-reputation. And he soiled his own reputation if he’s willing to say those kinds of things that wignats or even regular people wouldn’t say. Because he doesn’t care about his penis-size reputation. So yes that was a mistake. That was indeed a bit ‘cuckish’, from a public perspective, and not so from an autistic perspective. A mistake you’d expect from under-socialized people 😛
A weak defense of this is to say that these were just compliments done privately that JM inadvertently recorded, but, as far as it demonstrates how Curt would or does handle situations that doesn’t matter much. If he does detrimental autistic stuff in private, he might as well do it publicly, the bad-impression that people get about Curt doesn’t change.
“(#10) Curt shouldn’t have theatrically supported the BLM guy” – Eh I think this one is a wash. He’s just playing along to a circumstance he himself already allowed. The correct question is ‘whether he should have allowed it or not’ and that’s addressed in the former points. As part of de-escalation this was fine. Curt just wanted the BLM guy to speak his peace, feel comfortable (and be, comfortable really, he wasn’t going to be killed) then leave. Part of the whole peaceful separation thing, you know.
“(#5,7 alternatives) Curt should have escalated the issue and told the BLM and Virgin Knights to fuck off” – Well, no, that could very easily have led to a Charlottesville 2.0 and worse (considering the number of guns in there, and blacks with guns, etc.). The correct leadership thing to do is to de-escalate everything as much as possible without reputation loss, and, minus the black dick statement there wasn’t any loss of anything.
It’s very easy for people to see what happened and take it at face value without considering the actual worst outcomes and what people were aiming to achieve in spite of those risks. Curt did the right thing. He could have done it better, and ‘saved more face’, but that’s much easier said in hindsight, and taking into account his personality, he did everything as well as he could.
“Yelling out loud that speech wasn’t nice” – Well, the people there loved it. I loved it. So fuck you.
“Curt is an Asperger’s retard and has no place as a leader in the movement” – OK, I can agree with “as orator”, but as far as leadership goes, the answer can only be, give me one better. Leaders are not really “chosen”, and it’s not a binary title. Curt is already a leader, to some kind of movement, and for some responsibilities. People grow as leaders as they gain influence and power/responsibility. Curt might not become any more important than what he is, but, that’s irrelevant to what you think of him. To become bigger he would only need more people conferring more power to him for one reason or another (and not necessarily to speak in events), and as far as that goes, the event achieved that.
Curt and Propertarians in general are now marginally more competently known despite all the noise, and have more people (real life people, with more skin-in-the game thus more power themselves, not superchats, and behind the scenes gossip) conferring attention onto him. Real life attention is worth vastly more than internet attention. It shouldn’t be hard to understand this. For a quick example, see Cenk Uygur’s internet political campaign.
Is he a bad orator, bad PR person, etc.? Yeah, somewhat, but he’s aware and he’s been doing it just because no one else will (I don’t know why John Mark didn’t take that job, I was expecting him to, perhaps he finds himself no better than Curt, or Curt didn’t want him to, or, I dunno.) Either way that’s obvious to those involved, Curt and John will figure out what’s best to do for future events, who to have as speakers etc.
I’m gonna let out some steam here. What you want or expect or demand doesn’t really matter. You and the kind of people who say this shit, and some of you do this A LOT, no matter the person or cause, what you’re doing and always do is signalling for better men to come and do the things you want. Shut the fuck up really. Do better, support those who try, learn to give constructive criticism, or don’t bother. You’re not helping anyone. You’re a bitter spiteful moron who can’t control your emotions.
If you are so good, and you have all the answers, and you’re much more sociable and etc. You go and do it faggot. Shut the fuck up and lead the movement. But obviously you can’t. You that signal you can’t and that you just want Hitler to come back from the grave and grab you by the arm to take you to heaven. Eat a bullet retard, that’s the quickest way there.
Anyway I think those were all the criticisms so I’m done. The project continues, the new constitution continues, I wish everyone the best and I may try to show up for the next one, not sure. Thank you to all involved, keep doing what you’re doing, and fuck the haters. Cheers.